"that is where the big money can be", being able to part with an invention has value. Payment Method Besides how about your right to fair trade? If you manage to get lots of buyers on there you could make a real fortune. [http://www.google.com google5 ] I do agree with you regarding the search engine. @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. But it should be also possible to turn this filter off. found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. That thing is just getting started ;-). We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. Many do not search the net, they go directly to TS and search there for models. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. Sales dropped to almost nothing. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. Yes, at this point the level of sales of the TS is higher than the CGTrader and TS has a more flexible search system. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. Money rules! Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. I tried to contact the buyer several times with no response. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). They will be very enlightening and useful to you especially if you have never built 3D models and don't know what to expect. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? My friend didn't get any support. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. :). So click on a category. Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. The "crap models", "under-priced models" issue is a very sensitive topic that should be discussed. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. Is the same for me as everyone else. 5. Better for who? However, I will agree that sales here aren't as good as TS. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. I have been studying their website from a buyers perspective thoroughly and I have noticed that; 1. 3D Model jimmy choo. I have always been amazed at how TS can pull off their selling stunt, I've got better stuff AND cheaper on here than on TS but the sales over there totally dominate. After 60 days, we will put your content back online. They can present the model screenshots straight from their helpdesk and ensure the client is not being screwed? We've been doing business with Turbosquid for more than 10 years until our very public issues last year: http://www.nonecg.com/turbosquid/turbosquid_nonecg.htm. To my repliers: I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. It's sad cgtrader promote only printing models and forget about regular models. Delhi Escort Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? I am new starter here. - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. Cubebrush. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. In fact, I had taken deliberate steps to ensure that I included no content in my designs that could even be construed as overlap. TS management is by far the worst in history, they are great at Hostile take overs, yet bad at dealing with the realities of industry, i stopped all my affiliate links with TS and right now i'm sharing only the links for my products on CGT and Art station. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Ts indeed was able to maneuver into a very dominant position regarding the Autodesk partnership, allot of us are very familiar with that place because of it. TurboSquid Member Services, I'm a first time seller (+-2 Months). CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. I could go on and on, it kept me puzzled. - An improvement in search results based on manual rating from sellers and/or CGtrader staff. So many more buyers would actually have a look at what they have because sometimes you want to buy a special toy I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. CGtrader delivers the best basic structure to bring fort this new and healthy next gen market place. BUT this is still not as infuriating as a personal account falling once a month with all the statistics! Change Method. CG Trader. Bangalore Escort It takes way too long to put up any files. We are looking for contributors. Having said that creating models of that high end quality is quite the burden on 3D modelers who just do it as a hobby or work 3D part time so a lot of artists are moving away from TS because they can't sell their regular models on there anymore. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. ;). When pressed, Turbosquid could give no clearer specification than "it is too similar". The site owners could also act on other various levels : Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. That place is dead for me. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. Searching for specific terms applying to a specific model, the results on Google are nearly on first page. I'm always in favor for more options and less restrictions. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. Of those limited people just a hand full would actually buy models or put money towards models so if TS already has won those people we need to find our own nitch or we go out of business. They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. Thanks again guys, and let us know if you have any further comments or questions. Renderosity. How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. They will be very enlightening and useful to you especially if you have never built 3D models and don't know what to expect. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . So good luck "shopping elsewhere" dear customer, this is turning into a monopoly slaughterhouse and a 3D warzone. Be very wary when the artist is from India or other similar countries. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. ! That is the most important reason for them to be on CGtrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money. Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. i think they both have there place . We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. If the assumption is correct that a client goes to TS by default as a reflective action, "huh, there's another site, didn't know that! You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. Why should the artist suffer? Chat with Support 24/7 I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS We want to improve the site not make it worse :). I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. However, we have detected that you have set your prices back numerous times after we have made appropriate changes. Currently on a tight budget, would lose a substantial cut to pay for software licenses and hardware. A serious problem indeed about Turbosquid is its policy of setting up barriers to avoid having a direct link to customers (this includes banning of al communication technologies). I like the concept of CGtrader very much, hope to see the duality issues resolved. If I compare him with the founder of Ts, then it becomes clear to me we have a completely different relationship. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. Maybe they should just smack up one big "We're cheaper than TurboSquid" banner and push it into Google Ads? Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? For example, make affiliation partnerships between people/storeowners possible. Downside at CGTrader is as i've just been informed from Support is NO you can't sell the licence here and transfer it into another users name. You don't even seem to get reputation points for purchasing items, assuming I've read the page correctly, and if that is the case it's just dumb. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. In my country you have to be adult to do bussines and legal stuff. One of the biggest problems in this country is that the games and film studios are becoming a bit of a joke and not getting the funding they used to have. The conclusion seems, that clients are either more familiar with Tsquid, or that TSquid offers something else that is so valuable that even a much lower price doesn't matter. How about the Royalty Rate??? We previously sent you final warnings about your non-compliance with our Best Prices policy. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. (I prefer not to learn/spent time to handle all the different 3D applications and conversions) Send of two customers so far (here on CGt), hoe asked for a maya version of this model. Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. To bad this place is ridiculously expensive, you only get 33% of your sales. Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. Putting 3D printing as the main product range on first page doesn't help, as has been noted. Considering it as a seller, CGtrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. That takes longer time. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/96a1c5f2-d18b-4e5c-ab3c-01bd5189b9ca/TurboSquid_Monopoly.png At least some aspects of it. For some people with experience that did the math taking all factors in count (not talking about just NoneCG, of course) it was crystal clear since many years ago. the only advantages in cgtrader are the big rates for clients. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . But they must realise that attracting more buyers only through more aggresive marketing is not enough. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. No matter what the Wisdoms offer you now, they will make you pay x10 later once they are done with their competitors (again). If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. TurboSquid. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. TS has more sales because : We even stopped publishing new models there. This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. Change Method. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". my main income its still TS. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Most people don't care a bit about all this. Basically giving your money to a tyrant of a service, not even free to set price on your own products accordingly. That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved. Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) Ebay it's ALL about direct seller/customer relationship. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Is it the return guarantee if not satisfied? Click here to submit yours . I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. Sometimes 3D model can have some errors, or it was not 100% what buyer had imagined it will be. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. That is where the true value of 3D is today but unless someone can show the masses that this kind of thing can be done at a reasonable price ,(based on market value), then 3D will continue to be a half dead market until it will die completely because robotics have reached an advanced stage where they will soon be able to replace artists. Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. We left TS account and getting occasional spam regarding the prices from them. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? https://garagedoorrepairchesapeake.com/garage-door-replacement/. This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. CG Trader is easier to navigate, more stimulating perhaps than turbo squid. And CG Trader offers up to 94% royalty rate, where as Turbo Squid gives I believe 60% royalty rate CG Trader more open than Turbo Squid, and when registering, requires less personal information. In 2020, I've opened a CGT account and start selling interesting 3D Models. This is from my own personal experience. I'm done with them. They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. and cgtrader is easy to navigate and great UI, Turbosquid is a very shit comparing to CGTrader, i dont like turbosquid i prefer CGtrader absolutely, I think it is more comfortable to use. You are just providing a platform." royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. Sure, but I won't rinse and repeat the whole uploading process if it happens though. A good platform should integrate all next gen communication technologies in order to support curent evolution and technological progress. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. CGTrader. The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. Dear adentonclark, The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. when the same type of issue occurs on CGTrader, the Staff policy is to do nothing. In response to your comments kanga, I would like to add this to the conversation. Look for the big picture and think medium/long term. Cgtrader have more favorable royalty rates, compared to TurboSquid. - CGTrader pays immediately; TS waits until the end of the month. "This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. Using TurboSquid products in Browser based games. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. Im convinced now that when I would reactivate my Ts account I will just have a bit less sales here and get some sales over there, could be wrong but I don't care, 60% cut is ridicules and on top of that price guarantee is just total madness. So my own experience on sales is of little value. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. Some people mistaken de renders for real items already, can imagine how that would be on Ebay or amazon. (e.g. Payment Method I will very much want to peruse. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt.

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